But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. Mr. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. 1st, you came back from a trip? The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. 6. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. She was found guilty. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Until the end of the trial. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. 3. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Kenyans Compare Rachel Ruto, Margaret Kenyatta's Looks in Maasai Outfits, Kim Kardashian Looking for Love Again, Wants to Date Someone Who Isn't Famous, Kind Officers Drop Protesters in Nairobi CBD after Being Released from Central Police Station, Oburu Oginga Hints at Raila Odinga Vying for Presidency in 2027: "He's Not Retired", Naftali Kinuthia Says He Regrets Killing Lover Ivy Wangeci Using Axe: "Too Angry to Think". It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. This is especially if it comes with a history of erratic behavior following the use of these substances. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. Whats next? Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Q. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? However, Elizabeth was expelled from the religious institution as she didn't conform to the school's strong religious values. Were they involved in the plot too?? It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. Makes no difference to me. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. 2. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Sad situation. After all, she was conditioned this way. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. At the very least, she should have been released by now. And the motive? That poor girl. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. It was pitch black outside. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. 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The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Evidence from a ballistics expert. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Danny and Christie survived the attack while middle child, Cheryl, died from her injuries at the time. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. There were posters. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. May be the guy who says he did it. It was a dark and rural road. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Cheryl Lynn followed in 1976, and Stephen Daniel was born in 1979. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. This is a conflict of interest. I hope they have. Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. Lise,,,,, yes you did. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. Since his ex wife was sentenced to life in prison, he has not reappeared in public life nor has he given any television interviews about his family. Did she act like a average person? It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. Two of the kids survived the shooting with life altering injuries, and one of the children died. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. I dont. Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled Small Sacrificesdocument the true story of the Diane Downs case; in fact, it is a mix bag of truth, falsehoods, interpretation and plain fiction. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. Powered by WordPress.com VIP. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. 3. One of the jurors finally declared. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. I like your approach. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. Within a few weeks, the kids who had survived were placed in protective custody and were no longer in Steve's care. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? I dont know the woman. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. By the time Danny was born, they were having intense arguments about infidelity that Steve got convinced that he wasnt his biological son. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. I hope she is granted parole. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. Speculative. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. They felt safe there. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. You read a few comments. They were treated very badly in this matter. I will post it when I get it. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. It would never happen todaynever. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? Nevertheless, when Diane came back to Arizona, the pair united, and soon, on November 13, 1973, to be exact, the couple tied the knot. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. I still dont buy her story. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. 20/20s coverage of Diane Downs and the actions that led her to be sentenced to life in prison is a good portrayal of what really happened. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. Mind you, it is before the trial. Search within r/halo . Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. Thanks again. I am interested in the truth. No excuse there. The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. You need real evidence in court. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Thats food for thought. A long long time ago. The discovery that he wasnt his biological child made him leave the relationship. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going to voice master chief. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Lets not take that lightly. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. They often argued about their financial issues and fought over infidelities. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. So I start with that bit of history in mind. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Where is Steve now? (Feature Image Credit: ABC News / 20/20). That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? It seems like Steve and Diane were meant to be together. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Thats the problem with high profile cases. Click here to read the complaint. Weve become friends. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. You are right. It is not my point. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. No. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. I think u need to read the facts. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Is it too late to respond to this? rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. And some are even contradictory: shes mentally ill, but also not mentally ill; the site owner wants to focus on pure facts, yet ignore other facts; things happened in court, but those are irrelevant to what else what also happened in court, etc. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways . Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). Here's what we know. That they did not test the outside of the car? Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. Copyright 2023 Distractify. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. 4. Who was Burt Reynolds married to when he died and who inherited his estate?
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